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king edward wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 9:56 pm
Today Jennie Harries opined that it was okay for children to take lunch boxes top school as they are less likely to share them. Clearly she has no children and no comprehension of how children behave and, also clearly, she says what she is ordered to say by the government. We need experts not medical puppets.
Yes she has got children, including one who's a doctor. (How many children have you got KE?)
There is no suggestion she was "ordered" to say anything, she's the medical expert, she's there to give advice to the government, not the other way round. You do get some funny ideas KE.

I do think however, that it's a bit too early to think about children going back to school. They can carry the virus, even if not badly affected themselves.
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. (How many children have you got KE?)
What is the point if that?
As it happens, I have a son and a daughter, both in their 30s now.
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More than likely and Harries can no more be considered an expert in these matters.

In other news, the government's OP ratings for their sterling work re. Covid-19 have plummeted. So soon!
Of course they have. Although people have been pretty understanding about the need for the lockdown, after 2 months, even with the small freedoms just granted, people have had enough. We are getting more and more people stretching the guidelines.
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Living in an area where we regularly have a sea breeze,,,,,and stronger....I have from the beginning of this virus wondered about the effect of the wind in relation to the recommended safe distancing of 1 to 2 metres .

This article in today's Mail goes a long way to making me think my concerns were justified , and it poses the question, why has this variation in spread distance been totally ignored by all the experts and politicians. It seems such an obvious concern.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... ading.html
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A charity in Wales is distributing food parcels & mobile phone to sex workers!! :o

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This article in today's Mail goes a long way to making me think my concerns were justified , and it poses the question, why has this variation in spread distance been totally ignored by all the experts and politicians. It seems such an obvious concern.
This deals with someone coughing. I have to say, on all my walks, I can't remember the last time I passed someone who was coughing. But joggers who are panting heavily - yes.

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A charity in Wales is distributing food parcels & mobile phone to sex workers!! :o
Well, when you think about it, there's not many professions so open to getting infected with covid 19, than sex workers! I would imagine that all the ones who have any sense have stopped working, so they really do need food parcels.
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Well, when you think about it, there's not many professions so open to getting infected with covid 19, than sex workers! I would imagine that all the ones who have any sense have stopped working, so they really do need food parcels.
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I see that the US is now referring to it as "the influenza-like disease", not Covid or coronavirus!

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Influenza-like illness (ILI), also known as flu-like syndrome/symptoms, is a medical diagnosis of possible influenza or other illness causing a set of common symptoms...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza-like_illness

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But, except in the most general terms, Covid-19 is not an influenza-like infection, is it? Quite why so many otherwise intelligent people compromise their professionalism to kowtow before the Moron-in-Chief is beyond me.
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Ten times more deadly than ordinary flu. And ordinary flu is an efficient servant of the Grim Reaper.
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king edward wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:13 pm
But, except in the most general terms, Covid-19 is not an influenza-like infection, is it? Quite why so many otherwise intelligent people compromise their professionalism to kowtow before the Moron-in-Chief is beyond me.
Who would benefit by inflating the numbers, and in what way(s), according to you?

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Rose wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:59 pm
king edward wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:13 pm
But, except in the most general terms, Covid-19 is not an influenza-like infection, is it? Quite why so many otherwise intelligent people compromise their professionalism to kowtow before the Moron-in-Chief is beyond me.
Who would benefit by inflating the numbers, and in what way(s), according to you?
What numbers?
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king edward wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 7:02 am
Rose wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:59 pm
king edward wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:13 pm
But, except in the most general terms, Covid-19 is not an influenza-like infection, is it? Quite why so many otherwise intelligent people compromise their professionalism to kowtow before the Moron-in-Chief is beyond me.
Who would benefit by inflating the numbers, and in what way(s), according to you?
What numbers?
What are you trying to pin on President Trump now? Post specific answers this time—not a load of useless insults.

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Daily Mail Columnist, Piers Morgan, has ended his 15-year friendship with Donald Trump with a brutal open letter to the US president after Trump unfollowed him on Twitter for criticizing his approach to the Coronavirus.

The Good Morning Britain host wrote an article in which he told Trump to 'shut the f**k up' because his approach to the Coronavirus pandemic was 'batsh*t crazy'.

A few hours later, Trump, who didn't find the article funny, unfollowed him on Twitter.

In reply to the US president, Piers Morgan has penned a brutal open letter to Trump, ending their 15-year friendship.
Here is Morgan's letter:

Dear Donald,
On Friday evening, you unfollowed me on Twitter which, given you only follow 47 accounts, was not an insignificant decision.
It came a few hours after I posted a column in which I lambasted you for using your daily Coronavirus press briefings to air ‘batsh*t crazy’ cure theories like ‘injecting or ingesting’ bleach into patients with COVID-19.

I used very forceful language to convey my dismay at such reckless, shocking and woefully irresponsible behavior.
Indeed, the column began with the words ‘SHUT THE F**K UP, PRESIDENT TRUMP!’

And for that, I make no apology.

You are the most powerful person in America and your words carry enormous weight and consequence. Within hours of you suggesting it might be a good idea to use bleach, one public health hotline in one state – Maryland – received 100 phone calls asking about whether they should use household detergent to combat the virus, and was forced to issue an alert warning people not to try it.

New York City’s Poison Control Center took 30 similar calls from the moment your briefing last Thursday night ended to 3 pm the next day - and was also forced to release an alert saying that using bleach ‘can put people at great risk.’

This latest debacle came after you previously and repeatedly hyped up an anti-malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine, as another ‘cure’ - until it turned out to cause more deaths in COVID patients than those who weren’t treated with it.

This is a terrifying illustration of how dangerous your rhetoric can be.

So yes, I think when it comes to floating mad ideas about potential ‘cures’ for Coronavirus, you should shut the f*ck up.

I can understand why such direct language from a long-time friend may have offended you, and I understood that when I wrote it. You have a notoriously thin skin and take any criticism very badly.

(Though, from personal experience, I don’t think you’re a stranger to deploying such profane terminology yourself when something angers you.)
But I’ve always believed the best friends are ones unafraid to offer blunt unvarnished criticism to someone who is behaving in a shockingly self-destructive way, especially when that person is the President of the United States during a global pandemic.

We’ve known each other 15 years, and I’ve always tried to be fair and balanced when it’s come to your presidency. I criticize you when I think you deserve it (I’ve written 55 critical columns about you) and I support you if I think you’re right.

That makes me an outlier in current media, the vast majority of whom either implacably criticize you or blindly support you.

But if you can’t handle my criticism, and our friendship is over, then let me mark the end of our relationship with a few home truths about your spectacularly bad handling of this crisis that may yet, if you heed them, still enable you to get re-elected in November.

1) Get serious, very serious. The world leaders that are seeing their approval ratings soar – including Germany’s Angela Merkel, New Zealand’s Jacinda Arderne and France’s Emmanuel Macron - are the ones who realized early on this was going to be the biggest crisis in their country’s modern history and have adjusted their behavior accordingly. Nobody wants to see or hear their leader playing the buffoon when thousands are dying from a terrible virus. They want a gravity that reflects the reality.

2) Show some damn empathy and compassion. You’ve barely mentioned, in any of your long rambling briefings, the terrible impact of this Coronavirus on the American people.
In fact, the Washington Post calculated that you’ve spent just 4.5 minutes expressing any condolences, in over 13 hours of talking from the podium. More than 55,000 Americans have now died. Their relatives, friends and co-workers want to hear that you care about them. So, show them that you do, every day. Tell some of their stories, and those who’ve survived too. We need hope amid the despair.

3) Stop warring with the media. There can be no more important job for any journalist than holding a government’s feet to the fire during such a massive crisis where so many lives are dependent on the right decisions being made. The way you’ve been abusing the media during your briefings is repulsively rude and undignified.
Remember the words of President John F. Kennedy about freedom of the press: ‘Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed. That is why our press was protected by the First Amendment - the only business specifically protected by the Constitution – not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply “give the public what it wants” but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mould, educate and sometime even anger public opinion.’ If you want the press to show you respect, then start showing them some.

4) Cut the briefings to a maximum of 45 minutes and don’t speak yourself for more than 10 minutes. Nobody wants to hear a daily free-wheeling campaign rally other than you and your die-hard base supporters. In a hideously unedifying way, you keep boasting about your brilliant ratings for the briefings, but the only reasons so many are tuning in are because either they’re scared and want accurate information and reassurance. Or because they love car crash television.
At the moment, you’re offering plenty of the latter and none of the former.

5) Tell the truth. In a public health disaster of this magnitude, truth matters more than ever. Yet you’ve offered false or misleading information in 25% of your remarks. This is completely unacceptable in a president during the best of times, but during a crisis like this it’s outrageous. It’s particularly self-defeating when you lie about something that we’ve seen with our own eyes like the bleach moment. It wasn’t ‘sarcasm’, as you claimed later, and you weren’t addressing it to the ‘fake news’ - we could see you asking your experts. So, when you try to excuse your horrendous error like that, you reveal yourself, ironically, to be the purveyor of fake news.

6) Stop constantly praising yourself. It’s nauseating at a time like this. Apart from the fact you don’t deserve much praise for your performance in this crisis due to America’s horribly slow response to the virus and chronic lack of preparedness, it is so diminishing for you to stand there for hour after hour telling us how great you are and what a perfect job you’re doing as America’s death toll rockets ever higher. Macron admitted to his people that his administration had made mistakes in the preparation for this kind of pandemic, and the French people loved his candour. Learn from that; a little humility in your case would go a very long way right now.

7) Leave medical statements to the experts. There have been few more absurd spectacles than watching you at the podium theorizing about any new crazy Coronavirus theory you’ve just heard, like you’re Dr House. You’re not a doctor, as you admitted last week. So, stop pretending to be one.

8)😎 Cut tweeting so much irrelevant crap. Last night you embarked on a cringe-making and pitifully petty tweet storm (much of it now deleted) against the media, demanding journalists give back their ‘Noble prizes’. As I pointed out in my reply, it’s ‘Nobel’ and the prizes you were alluding to are Pulitzers. But who the hell cares anyway? There is only one thing you should be laser-focused on right now and it’s how to defeat Coronavirus before it slaughters more Americans.

9) I don’t want to hear any more from you about how hard you’re working. I expect, and every American will assume, that the President of the United States is currently working as hard as he possibly can on the biggest crisis to hit the country in modern times. Again, reign in the overly-defensive self-justification and self-aggrandizing, it just irritates people who are suffering massive problems.

10) Forget about the bitter and twisted partisan politics that dominated and scarred your presidency to the point when Coronavirus erupted. Everything’s changed. We all have a common enemy now, and it’s one that doesn’t recognize a republican from a democrat. You should be bringing your opponents to the White House and presenting a united front, not continuing to mock and belittle them.

Mr President, nobody pretends that any of this is easy. There can’t be anything worse for any leader than seeing a new, wicked virus ravage the country, killing tens of thousands of people, and the economy suddenly tank to the worst levels in US history.

These are scary times and millions of people are suffering very badly. But you’re making it worse with your dangerously erratic conduct.

And if you continue, it will cost you the election.

Chancellor Merkel is someone whose crisis leadership is a template for what you should be doing.

Germany’s top Coronavirus scientist Christian Drosten explained her popularity today in the Guardian: ‘She’s extremely well-informed, it helps that she’s a scientist and can handle numbers. But it mainly comes down to her character – her thoughtfulness and ability to reassure.

Maybe one of the distinguishing features of a good leader is they are not using this situation as a political opportunity. They know how counter-productive it would be.

Exactly.

You’ve dug yourself into a horrible hole, Donald, and you’re making it deeper with everything you do and say.

However, if you heed my advice, and begin to guide the country through its darkest hour with a more serious, consistent, determined and empathetic style, then I believe there is still a chance the American people will forgive you and reward you with re-election later this year.

You don’t have to re-follow me Donald, but for old time’s sake I would urge you to listen to me.

Yours respectfully, Piers - Courtesy of Emelie Rose Barg

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Rose wrote:
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Does that infer that you won't be coming here again till fall, Rose?

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Rose , Trump ridiculed a reporter for wearing a face mask at a question and answer session outside the White House. Face masks are accepted as being a useful tool in limiting the spread of the virus.

Are you happy that he did this ? Or do you think it is another example of his stupidity and unsuitability for his position.
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Are you referring to a reporter, socially distanced, in the back of the rose garden, who tried to shout questions through his face mask, and the President said something like, 'That's right, be socially correct'?

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This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiN-wANjTrc

"You want to be politically correct." Terrible...Trump should be horsewhipped, so he knows his place.

If interested, more about masks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8VHXf31h-E

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No two ways about it, Trump is a fu***it of the highest (lowest?) order.
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