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Is this the most historically inaccurate film ever?

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Full of impossibilities and glaring anachronisms. What film? Brave Heart! Firstly, William Wallace was not a son of a poor farmer, he came from the aristocracy. His wife was called Marian not Murron. This was changed in order that people wouldn't confuse her with Robin Hood's Maid Marian.
Scots wearing kilts. Didn't happen until 400 years later. Scots painting their faces? Sorry, no. English soldiers in uniform? Sorry no, uniforms came centuries later, soldiers at this time wore whatever they could get their hands on!
Primae Noctis? Longshanks never authorised this!
Battle of Stirling Bridge. We don't see the bridge and this was absolutely critical in the actual battle.
The romantic liaison between Wallace and Isabelle of France, never took place. He never met her. She was only 9 years old when he was executed.
Longshanks never threw his son Edward's gay lover out of the castle window. Was his son gay? Well - he had 5 children. Also his military adviser Philip de Mowbray lived to a ripe old age! Never thrown out of a window. Incidentally this scene caused a lot of grief to the gay community, quite needlessly!
The battle of Falkirk details were also grossly inaccurate. Robert the Bruce never betrayed Wallace.
The name brave heart actually refers to the heart of Robert the Bruce because after his death, it was carried into battle! After Wallace's barbaric execution, his last words are unknown, so it's doubtful that he shouted "Freedom!"
And that's just for starters! Never mind, it was a box office success, that's all that matters nowadays.
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I don't think it was meant to be a historical film, but simply entertainment, like The Great Escape, described as a travesty by a surviving escapee, and Titanic, where a ship's officer, in real life an honourable man, pulled a gum on female passengers.

It might not be your, or my, idea of entertainment bur that was the intention!

On the subject of inaccuracy, did you ever see "Objective Burma!"?

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No, never seen that one.
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When filums are based on real characters, they should be accurate. Often the only bit of history some people ever experience :)

My pet hatred is - docudramas - inventing events and stories around people alive today, or recently dead. Very difficult and unfair to the subjects and their families.

Documentaries are acceptable, assuming there is a real public need for them but they must be accurate, or the producers can be sued down to their grubby underwear.

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Stormy wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 9:51 am
No, never seen that one.
If ever you do, don't watch it on television, It could prove expensive, you'll be tempted to put your foot through the tv!

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Hollywood?
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Yes, at its worst.

Errol Flynn!

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Authenticity is not really necessary if the film is entertaining enough and doesn't take too many liberties. For example, The Favourite has only a tangential relationship with reality at times but it is still very enjoyable.
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True KE. Box office success is the only thing that matters, films that reflect true history are very rare. According to the historian Anthony Beevor, Downfall is in this rare category. Based on the various survivors testimonies, from the last days in Hitler's bunker, the events portrayed did not have to be misrepresented or exaggerated. The scene where Magda Goebbels poisons her children is utterly chilling.
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This short clip is a section of an entertaining tour of the Tower of London, given by Yeoman Warden (Beefeater) Bill Callahan. He insults everyone... but with great humour.

What Stormy said about William Wallace reminded me of it, as here, Bill shares the same opinion about Braveheart. He also tells about Wallace's execution.

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:laughitup: That beefeater is hilarious!!

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Oh that was well worth watching! :happy:
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Brilliant! :clapping:
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