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 Post subject: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:23 am 
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Bit of a rant sorry!

We have amazing people who volunteer for the RNLI and Girl Guides. Who are these controlling PC dictators, on salaries, who have the nerve to slap them down for supposed PC transgressions.

GET A GRIP!!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:27 am 
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Well, being a volunteer still means having to follow the rules of the organisation. People can't just go their own sweet way.

So with Guiding for example, the charity has a Board of Trustees and a Council and they vote on how it should be run.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:33 pm 
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what is the reference to the RNLI? I must have missed that.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:55 pm 
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Maybe the pornographic mugs and social media images in Whitby? Two volunteers sacked for targeting a fellow staffer. I can't recall anything else.

https://rnli.org/news-and-media/2018/june/12/rnli-statement-on-whitby-appeal


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:39 pm 
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Star - Abuse happens in all situations. Alas.

Look at the vile behaviour of 'charities' around the world.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:04 pm 
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So pornographic harassment of colleagues is now considered pefectly acceptable and opposition to it PC gone mad? In what dystopian world of extreme f***wittery ios this in any way an acceptable attitude?

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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:41 pm 
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Maybe someone can enlighten us.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:10 pm 
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There was a drinking mug in the staff quarters with a picture on the front that changed with hot water. I am sure you have all seen these. The argument was that a member of the public might see it. The ensuing row caused the lifeboat station to be closed for several weeks. The end result was that a couple of men who had served for several decades were sacked.

Now we have all seen these drinking mugs which are usually sold as amusing gifts, as this one probably was and was being used in the staff quarters away from the public eye.

This was a bitter dispute which left bad feeling and, in my humble opinion, was totally unnecessary - all it should have needed was a request for the mug to be taken home in exchange for a free RNLI drinking mug.

I think 'let him/her who is without sin throw the first stone'.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:19 pm 
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But wasn't the mug created by superimposing the face of a co-worker on a pornographic image so extreme that it couldn't be reproduced in the media?

And didn't the men refuse to remove it even after a warning and it was then found during an inspection by a senior member of staff?

They also put similar images on social media, targeted at a work colleague? That's harassment.

That's the official line.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:22 pm 
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I'm reminded or the disgust with which I was regarded when I said I had sought the company of prostitutes during hurricane relief work in the Caribbean. Not for sex, I was newly matched, and I certainly made my wife aware of it, but simply for company when off duty.

When a young mother offers to carry out the most degrading acts in return for a half spoonful of dried skimmed milk which she could mix with water from the gutter to feed her baby and you have to show her you have nothing except your clothes, when you see a dog ripping off the arm of a dead three year old (she had on a pretty pink dress I remember), you find that sitting in a bar with a girl, any girl (prostitution and drink are always the first things to return to normal) helps you through the night to face another day, and another, and another.

Try a bit of stress yourself before deploring others' way of relieving it.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:49 pm 
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I haven't seen any suggestion that they were doing this to relieve stress.

Targeted online comments about another RNLI worker, using explicit sexual imagery would surely cause stress to that person.

Anyway, two were suspended, allowed to appeal, the facts were considered and they were sacked. That wouldn't shut down a whole station though surely.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
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Re the Girl Guides there was a case recently where a volunteer was removed because she could not accept the policy of allowing trans girls to join. Well, she can disagree with the rules...but if she wants to work there she must abide by them.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
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Good people will stop volunteering if this sort of thing goes on, then what are you left with?


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
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You're left with volunteers who can stick to the rules of the organisation without causing trouble by acting as if they are exempt. And people who can do the job without graphic sexual comment to colleagues. The usual workplace rules.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
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I think you are missing the point Lighthouse - volunteers do the jobs for love not money.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
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Yes and they work hard and many charities and other organisations rely on them - but that doesn't mean they don't have to follow the policies set by the management body. They are not a law unto themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:20 am 
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Lighthouse wrote:
Yes and they work hard and many charities and other organisations rely on them - but that doesn't mean they don't have to follow the policies set by the management body. They are not a law unto themselves.


I am sure they do in the main but make the volunteering without humour and they will leave in droves.

Nowhere near enough laughing these days in all walks of life, people are plagued with the thought they might offend someone.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
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I don't have any examples of anyone being asked to leave a volunteering job over harmless humour - do you?

The guide volunteer I mentioned left over the policy on trans girls.

The lifeboatmen were targeting a fellow worker with explicit pornography - that may have amused them but it seems it wasn't well received. Not really surprising is it? So the 'humour' fell flat. I can't think of any workplace where anyone would be expected to put up with that kind of harassment from colleagues. The organisation has a duty of care to protect workers (and volunteers) from such treatment by other workers (and volunteers).


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
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Unacceptable behaviour cannot be allowed, whether the perpetrators are volunteers, or heads of banks. Or bishops.

It does not do the charities any good not to clean their acts.


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 Post subject: Re: Volunteers
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:00 am 
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There is humour and there is humour.
Some people think making fun of someone else is ok particularly if it is a true reflection of reality in their eyes.
That used to be ok but it was never nice nor acceptable to the person on the "end" of the joke.
Personally I have been thoroughly "put off" some groups of men who seem to be locked in their school days with their humour and prejudices and use their adult aggression to maintain there little cliché.
If a volunteer lifeboat person cannot abide by simple decisions made by the RNLI then they forfeit their position.
It does not matter that they are not paid whatsoever.

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