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 Post subject: Trans Madness
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:27 am 
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The fact that one has a penis or a vagina is an irrelevance now, it in no way determines what sex you are.

It appears you can simply decide what sex you are and the rest of society must accept your decision.

This week it was divulged that a man ( or is she a woman) changes sex regularly, deciding when he/she wakes up, what sex the person walking out of the door that day will identify as. This person is a senior business executive who turns up at work one day suited and booted as a man, and the next day wearing a wig, full make up and a pretty dress.

Girl Guides apparently now accept "girls" with male genitalia...............interesting times !!!

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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:21 am 
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I believe there have always been people who felt they were neither one thing nor another.
Today's (PC?) attitude towards them has changed from outright and open aggression to tacit acceptance of their right to think they are whoever they feel they are.
Diversity is lauded to the extent almost any variant human behaviour is acceptable except very specific behaviour thought to be just wrong in relation to how we view what is acceptable.
That view of what is acceptable is not fixed, far from it, what is bad and unacceptable changes with time and not necessarily for the better.

It is as if there always has to be someone or group in society who is thought to be "bad" at any one time.
Those people can vary a lot but it always means others who are not "bad" can be nasty or violent to those who they deem or told are "bad".
It used to be witches once.
It wasn't so long ago that male homosexuals were set upon, imprisoned and vilified just for liking and loving their own sex.
Single mothers didn't have it easy either.
Yet at the same time female homosexuals (lesbians) were perfectly acceptable to society. Why? :screwy:

Likewise the attitude to how we are allowed to behave to each other within the family has changed over the years.
Abuse of all sorts was and still is common so I'm told.

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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:32 pm 
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According to NHS figures, the number of transgenders is less that 0.001 in this society.

People with serious problems need the same help that is accorded to anyone else but intact males being able to use female facilities is asking for serious trouble.

As was found with the self-decided 'transgender', with a previous record of sexual crimes. He managed to be sent to a female prison and violently raped a number of the women there.

Colleges and schools are quickly revising their policy on toilets. Students are unhappy and so are their parents.

Since the beginning of time nature created males and females, among most species. Because nature is so stupid. Whilst we are SOOOO clever. For a few hysterical years. Then it's all change again.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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I just checked the NHS website, it says 1% of the population have some form of gender variance. Of course that may be an underestimate as not all people raise it with doctors at all. More are doing so now than used to.

It's hardly madness to find ways of making such a person's life easier. But the case of the prisoner was badly mishandled, if you are referring to Karen White/Stephen Wood. This individual is a cross dresser and a previous sex offender who claimed to be transitioning but had not attended any medical appointments about it. The prison took him at his word quite wrongly, with disastrous results.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Apparently the man/woman was actually included in the Financial Times & Her-oes Champions of Women list, whatever that is.......You couldn't make this up if you tried, it's beyond belief.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -list.html

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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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The fact that one has a penis or a vagina is an irrelevance now, it in no way determines what sex you are...

It's not an irrelevance at all, physiology goes towards determining biological gender. But a gender dysphoric person feels within their brain that they are of a different gender or possibly fluid between genders. It's a definite thing that exists in a minority of individuals.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Downlander wrote:
Apparently the man/woman was actually included in the Financial Times & Her-oes Champions of Women list, whatever that is.......You couldn't make this up if you tried, it's beyond belief

Why does this bother you so much, you clearly find the whole idea of gender dysphoria hard to cope with for some reason. Is it because you feel that blurring of clear distinctions is unnerving somehow?

This person is successful in business and deserving of an award. They chose to be listed as female but I guess could have gone on either list as long as the organisers were ok with it. Is it such a big deal really.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Lighthouse wrote:
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This person is successful in business and deserving of an award.


Half the time he\she functions as a man, so it's illogical to give him/her a woman's award.
Although I have no doubt you will agree with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Perhaps it is time to do away with gender-specific awards.

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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Why does it bother YOU, Lighthouse, that it bothers Downlander?


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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It interests me that someone can be bothered enough to start a thread on the topic, using the work 'madness'.
Gender dysphoria is a recognised phenomenon affecting probably hundreds of thousands of people in the UK. Social policy needs to be put in place to accommodate such individuals doesn't it? At the very least the subject should be discussed calmly and thoughtfully, so they are not shunned as oddities, as happened in times gone by.

Would you not agree?


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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king edward wrote:
Perhaps it is time to do away with gender-specific awards.

Maybe it is but I think a lot of women would object, particularly those in sport and other activities that award men and women separately using different criteria.

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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Lighthouse wrote:
It interests me that someone can be bothered enough to start a thread on the topic, using the work 'madness'.


It interests me that in this early 21st century we have produced a generation of people who think they know the answers to just about everything, relegating generations of of our predecessors to the cesspit of ignorance.

Strange that at the same time across the world societies are spiralling into a never ending vortex leading to our destruction.

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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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On the subject of gender dysphoria, people in the past were ignorant - as they were about a lot of medical/psychological matters. A bit harsh to use the word cesspit though. They simply didn't know.

Why is accommodating such a thing leading to a vortex of destruction? Sounds almost Biblical.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Commonsense goes right out of the window with every new hysterical trend. For a time.

Men who - decide - they are women competing against women in professional sports.

With an average of ten times stronger musculature. Even men who have fully completed gender reassignment still retain their much stronger muscles.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Anya wrote:
Men who - decide - they are women competing against women in professional sports.


Are there any sporting events where a man can enter a women's competition by simply 'deciding' to be a woman, without having to submit to medical tests set by the management of that sport?


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Madness is the word I would use. Just get on with it you 0.001 %.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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More like 1% according to the NHS website, but whatever the true number is, it must be many thousands of people.

So what should they be getting on with? And do other people sometimes make it hard for them to get on, do you think?


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:59 am 
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One of the most disturbing aspects of this nonsense, is surely its impact on very young children - children are no longer allowed to have a childhood in this PC brave new world. It therefore puts the idea into their heads, even when they are pre-pubescent. The idiocy of gender neutral toilets only feeds the fantasy to which they have been subjected. The vast majority of people who have no doubt, as to which sex they belong to, should write to their MPs to demand that this madness stops and all toilets are clearly marked either male or female.

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Unless PC is synonymous with unrepressed, it is not a PC matter, just an acknowledgement of reality without prejudice.

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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Stormy wrote:
One of the most disturbing aspects of this nonsense, is surely its impact on very young children - children are no longer allowed to have a childhood in this PC brave new world. It therefore puts the idea into their heads, even when they are pre-pubescent. The idiocy of gender neutral toilets only feeds the fantasy to which they have been subjected. The vast majority of people who have no doubt, as to which sex they belong to, should write to their MPs to demand that this madness stops and all toilets are clearly marked either male or female.


What ideas are put into their heads - that, according to the NHS many thousands of people in the UK have a form of gender variance ie they are NOT clearly male or female? Why is it wrong for children to know facts?

It sounds like you want to tell children something that just isn't true - that no-one has gender dysphoria. But they do and children will come across this at school or in life generally.

If the vast majority of people have no doubt about gender, then the vast majority of children won't either. Do you think seeing a gender neutral toilet will change this and make them question something that you say they have 'no doubt' about? Such toilets can be used by pupils, staff, parents and other visitors. It's catering for a minority yes, but why is that so bad. There are people who are gender-fluid and pretending it doesn't exist is not making it disappear.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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The figure of 0.001 was worked out between the NHS and The Tavistock Clinic. A truly minute number out of possibly seventy millions people. Cannot run a whole society for a tiny minority.

Those with a real problem receive help, as anyone else does, as long as it is not copy-cat and bandwagon jumping behaviour, which is very common.

Using the term - Body Dysphoria - clearly demonstrates total ignorance and how the whole fad is just another bit of passing hysteria. As happens all the time.

Body Dysphoria is a - mental health condition - usually hallucinatory, where people have a different perception and illusion of their own body. For instance, where a skeletal anorexic looks in the mirror and see a huge obese bloated body. Or where someone becomes so obsessed by the appearance of a 'celebrity', or even an animal and spends huge sums and years of pain trying to become that obsession.

One of the saddest aspects of Body Dysphoria is where small children are shocked to see an amputee and, over the years become obsessed to have the same limbs removed. In some cases, even putting their arms or legs under a train.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Giving any minority extra attention only exacerbates the situation. As there are so few of them why worry about it, it seems to me that there is one baby in the nursery screaming for attention despite all due care being administered.

Much attention seeking going on when others get quietly on with life, good and bad.


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I'm sure you could find examples of other things that affect only a small minority though. I don't think that should mean such things are just ignored as nothing to worry about. Small changes like an extra toilet in an office, or accepting that someone may dress as 'male' or 'female' alternately, aren't really a big deal surely.


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 Post subject: Re: Trans Madness
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Anya wrote:
Using the term - Body Dysphoria - clearly demonstrates total ignorance and how the whole fad is just another bit of passing hysteria. As happens all the time.



Why are you talking about Body Dysphoria (Body Dysmorphic Disorder?)

I referred to Gender Dysphoria. It's not the same thing.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/


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