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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:05 am 
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An anguished question from a Trump supporter: "Why do liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?"

The serious answer: Here’s what we really think about Trump supporters - the rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the ones who think and the ones who don't...

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."

That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay."

That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem."

That when he made up stories about seeing muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue."

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you chirped, "He sure knows me."

That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!"

That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw.

That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?"

That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."

That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, "Yes!"

That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!"

That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!"

That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."

That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!"

That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!"

That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense."

That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!"

That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids. has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas - he explains that they’re just “animals” - and you say, “well, ok then.”

That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise.

What you don't get, Trump supporters in 2018, is that succumbing to frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful, but it's also...hear me...charitable.

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are *less* flattering.

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"In my life, I have watched John Kennedy talk on television about missiles in Cuba. I saw Lyndon Johnson look Richard Russell squarely in the eye and and say, "And we shall overcome." I saw Richard Nixon resign and Gerald Ford tell the Congress that our long national nightmare was over. I saw Jimmy Carter talk about malaise and Ronald Reagan talk about a shining city on a hill. I saw George H.W. Bush deliver the eulogy for the Soviet bloc, and Bill Clinton comfort the survivors of Timothy McVeigh's madness in Oklahoma City. I saw George W. Bush struggle to make sense of it all on September 11, 2001, and I saw Barack Obama sing "Amazing Grace" in the wounded sanctuary of Mother Emanuel Church in Charleston, South Carolina.

These were the presidents of my lifetime. These were not perfect men. They were not perfect presidents, God knows. Not one of them was that. But they approached the job, and they took to the podium, with all the gravitas they could muster as appropriate to the job. They tried, at least, to reach for something in the presidency that was beyond their grasp as ordinary human beings. They were not all ennobled by the attempt, but they tried nonetheless.

And comes now this hopeless, vicious buffoon, and the audience of equally hopeless and vicious buffoons who laughed and cheered when he made sport of a woman whose lasting memory of the trauma she suffered is the laughter of the perpetrators. Now he comes, a man swathed in scandal, with no interest beyond what he can put in his pocket and what he can put over on a universe of suckers, and he does something like this while occupying an office that we gave him, and while endowed with a public trust that he dishonors every day he wakes up in the White House.

The scion of a multigenerational criminal enterprise, the parameters of which we are only now beginning to comprehend. A vessel for all the worst elements of the American condition. And a cheap, soulless bully besides. Watch him again, behind the seal of the President of the United States. Isn't he a funny man? Isn't what happened to that lady hilarious? Watch the assembled morons cheer. This is the only story now."
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If Debbie Ramirez had corroborating witnesses why couldn't the New York Times find them?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-testify.html


Judge Kavanaugh’s prospects were further clouded on Sunday when The New Yorker reported on a new allegation of sexual impropriety: A woman who went to Yale with Judge Kavanaugh said that, during a drunken dormitory party their freshman year, he exposed himself to her, thrust his penis into her face and caused her to touch it without her consent.

In a statement, Judge Kavanaugh denied the allegation from the woman, Deborah Ramirez, and called it “a smear, plain and simple.” The New Yorker did not confirm with other eyewitnesses that Judge Kavanaugh was at the party.

The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.

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The other Dave. wrote:
...They ignored his 12 years on the appeals court and focused on the few minutes of emotions he displayed defending himself...

And quite rightly.

He showed he can't take the pressure.

Dave.



And, a few days before his testimony he gave an interview that was hammered by the same people because his response was too weak.

It was a political hatchet job. It didn't matter what he said or how he said it. The people that don't like Trump were against him before he was even nominated. Nothing was going to change that fact.

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We don't drink Kool-Aid, kassy. :D

Give yourself a break. Enjoy the day!


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Major wrote:
And, a few days before his testimony he gave an interview that was hammered by the same people because his response was too weak.

It was a political hatchet job. It didn't matter what he said or how he said it. The people that don't like Trump were against him before he was even nominated. Nothing was going to change that fact.

"It was a political stitch up , It didn't matter what he said or how he said it.he was going to be nominated. Nothing was going to change that fact"

how you should have written it

worst job interview ever

Grassley and co ...state the judicial process has "hit rock bottom"

nah ........

.......apparently Proff Ford is now "evil" ....and a "hoaxer " according to trump

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“It was a disgraceful situation that was brought about by people that were evil.”

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There was nothing to back up her story. She was used by evil people--and they wanted to bring in the absurd.

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Tankus wrote:
apparently Proff Ford is now "evil" ....and a "hoaxer " according to trump

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trump “It was very, very unfair what happened to him: False charges, false accusations, horrible statements that were totally untrue that he knew nothing about,”
“It was a disgraceful situation that was brought about by people that were evil.”




"Trump got it started in a scrum with reporters before his flight to Florida to address a convention of police chiefs. He claimed Kavanaugh “was caught up in a hoax that was set up by the Democrats using the Democrats’ lawyers.”

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Putins successfully undermined USA's politics and the electorates faith in it , as a bogof deal hes got the Supreme court denigrated as well, next ...is the military leadership......

amazing really

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Putins successfully undermined USA's politics and the electorates faith in it , as a bogof deal hes got the Supreme court denigrated as well, next ...is the military leadership......

amazing really



Put down the bottle and step away from the bar.

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Heh ....lol.....do you think that kavanaugh will eventually be asked .."to step away from the bar"...!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a ... evaluation

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...Friday’s letter says the original “well-qualified” rating stands, for now.

...And I predict, the “well-qualified” rating will always stand. :smiles:

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The crowd in front of the U.S. Supreme Court is tiny, looks like about 200 people (& most are onlookers) - that wouldn’t even fill the first couple of rows of our Kansas Rally, or any of our Rallies for that matter! The Fake News Media tries to make it look sooo big, & it’s not!

The audience for the Kansas Rally was about 11,000. All his rallies are well attended.

There's so much good news from America, but some never hear it…

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Well, it appears yet more of his horseshit is bubbling out of this smarmy POS.

To attack Dems, Trump blasts immigration bill that doesn’t exist[
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... _fb_maddow

Trump’s lies come in a variety of types and styles,
but the ones that alarm the most are the lies in which he describes imaginary things as real. The president has an unnerving habit, for example, of telling people detailed information about conversations that simply did not occur in reality, though he seems convinced that they did.

There is no “Open Borders Bill.” Trump made it up.

Oh....and since you seem so hyped about bullshit 'wins', would you mind explaining how Trumps tariffs costing Ford over ONE BILLION DOLLARS and resulting in Ford choosing to move their Mexican operations to China rather than to the US could even remotely be considered a 'win'?
Even you cannot possibly be that gullible.

Oh wait........

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/ ... d_ms_fb_ma


Ford has already warned that President Donald Trump's auto tariffs have impacted the company to the tune of $1 billion, and the president’s trade policies threaten to play havoc with Ford’s ongoing reorganization, Shanks told NBC News.

Trump and Ford have been squaring off since well before the 2016 election, when then-presidential candidate originally threatened to impose hefty tariffs on vehicles Ford intended to start importing from a factory in Mexico. The carmaker eventually scrubbed that plan, but rather than return production to the U.S. it decided to move it to China.


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...To attack Dems, Trump blasts immigration bill that doesn’t exist...

Like the President said, It's an open borders bill. "And it's written by – guess who – Dianne Feinstein.”

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...Well, President Trump has confirmed liberals’ fears by defying the rule of law — the problem for liberals is that he has done so is in response to their own demands on immigration.

The administration is almost surely correct in its original reasoning that as a result of the 1997 Flores consent decree and its 2016 extension by the Ninth Circuit, absent legal changes, the administration cannot legally detain families together, as he attempts to do in his new executive order.

But whatever its shortcomings, the administration’s effort is still far better than the bill offered by Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein — “Keep Families Together” — which is a monument to careless lawmaking that incredibly has been signed onto by all the Democratic, and two independent, senators. The bill was drafted so sloppily that it makes no distinctions between those arrested for crossing the border illegally and those accused of serious criminal acts who are also parents. As Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark. — the Senate’s most prominent immigration hawk — noted, the Feinstein bill will also encourage further kidnapping of children by ruthless gangs of human traffickers (a growing problem even acknowledged by the New York Times). One provision that stipulates a “strong presumption” in favor of family unity and a “presumption that detention is not in the best interests of families and children” effectively requires the vast majority of illegal immigrants arriving with children to be released into the general population rather than detained.

Troublingly, these views on immigration are not far out of line with the Democratic Party as a whole. In fact, a Harvard Harris poll last month states that a striking 36 percent of Democrats support “basically open borders.” This is an inflammatory policy that is dangerously out of line with mainstream thinking. Indeed, these extreme statements not only convey a deeply troubling sentiment, but moreover, they are strategically bad for the party. Congressman Tom Suozzi, a centrist Democrat from New York, was right when he recently lambasted the extremist immigration rhetoric coming from his party. “Open borders is not a winning policy,” he said. “I’m a strong supporter, as are most Democrats, of strong border security.”

With the midterms slowly approaching this fall, regaining the support of independents and moderate Republicans will be key for Democrats in their fight to take back the House. However, in light of contentious issues such as immigration where the party has moved further left than ever, this will be an increasingly difficult demographic for Democrats to appeal to in November. According to a Gallup poll this month, Americans say immigration is one of the most important issues heading into the elections, with 22 percent citing it as the top problem facing the nation...


FORD MEDIA CENTER:
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(Ford has been multinational for many years, and is 'the world's most familiar make of car.')

Our GDP is 4.2%, and the future looks good.

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Oh---please.
Do tell me the number of the bill---and please quote the wording in it that specifies 'open borders'.
Y'know....the one written by Feinstien you seem so afraid of.
Because gawd forbid your delusional POS should actually get at least ONE truthful paragraph out of his sphincter before you start lapping it up.

And while you're spouting more irrelevant and crap 'GDP' numbers, perhaps enlighten us all exactly how much the individual income of anyone other than your apparently gilded one percent has increased in the same period. A percentage will do.

Oh here....let me save you the effort. I know you must have some important fawning and preening to do.

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Why are you folks across the pond incapable of having an intelligent debate. Seems all you can do is post what other people have said.

Surely your not that thick.

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Finally found somebody that makes sense kas. It's never been about Democrats and Republicans. Each party holds roughly 40% of the voting public. It's all about swaying the Independants.

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1. The President is always accessible, on a golf course—anywhere, ready to work, unlike Trudeau…Soros, ahh, we’ll get back to him later—and how busy he’s been…The Nobel Peace Prize is a liberal popularity prize. Obama did nothing to get one…Notice, there are no more North Koran missiles flying over our allies in South Korea and Japan. The rest is nasty childishness.

2. Were they local crumbling roads in a high tax Democrat state? Here, the roads are fine and I don’t see clunkers either. Any American’s tax returns are none of your business.

3. Not true. “SERIOUSLY, HOW DUMB DOES TRUMP THINK AMERICANS ARE?" ~ OCCUPY WALL STREET DEMOCRATS. Evidence shows they’re dumb and lazy. Why are you backing LOSERS, kassy? SERIOUSLY, don’t you have better things to do?

4. “White women…” The only racists are Democrats—that try to separate us by politicizing "color."

"Pulling the race card” is a very old Democrat trick that doesn’t work anymore.

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P.S. "S.3036 - Keep Families Together Act", by Dianne Feinstein
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... t%22%5D%7D
According to Feinstein, if one person gets into the country, family members should follow.

Canada would definitely disagree with that premise.

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Finally found somebody that makes sense kas. It's never been about Democrats and Republicans. Each party holds roughly 40% of the voting public. It's all about swaying the Independents.

...And they're turning Right.

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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... rack_oct09

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Saturday’s protests and unlawful disruptions were brought to us by a well-funded network.

By Asra Q. Nomani
Oct. 7, 2018 6:23 p.m. ET
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Some 200 protesters march across the lawn of the U.S. Capitol to the foot of the south wing. Inside, the U.S. Senate is wrapping up its debate, hours before the Saturday afternoon vote to confirm Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Members of the crowd rush up the steps, unfurl professionally printed banners, stand defiantly, and pump their fists in the air.

“Whose house?” they shout.

“Our house!” they answer.

By the time of the vote, they’ve moved across the street to the Supreme Court building. After getting word of the vote, again they rush the steps. Two women climb the statues flanking the steps—“Contemplation of Justice” and “Authority of Law”—for more fist-pumps.

On the steps, Bob Bland, a co-founder of the Women’s March, silently sends a thumbs-up signal to another leader, later boasting: “We took the Supreme Court.” On Friday the Women’s March had tweeted out a photo of Sen. Susan Collins, who cast the deciding vote for Justice Kavanaugh, with “Rape Apologist” written across her image.

In a series of tweets and rally comments, President Trump described the crowd as “an angry left-wing mob” of “professional protesters who are handed expensive signs” and “paid for by [George] Soros and others.” Mr. Trump’s detractors accused him of engaging in conspiracy theories, and even of anti-Semitism against Mr. Soros, a billionaire donor to liberal causes. Yet he has a point. Many Americans genuinely oppose Mr. Trump and Justice Kavanaugh. I am a liberal feminist whose views on abortion and same-sex marriage align with the Democratic Party’s. Yet while most demonstrators are not paid for their efforts, the protests at the Capitol Saturday, and the ones that have included stalking lawmakers inside and outside their offices, are organized by groups of which Mr. Soros is an important patron.

I started following the money for the “resistance” when it was born, hours after Election Day 2016. I have organized my findings in a spreadsheet I have made public. At least 50 of the largest organizations that participated as “partners” in the Jan. 21, 2017, Women’s March had received grants from Mr. Soros’s Open Society Foundations or similar funds in the “House of Soros,” as his philanthropic empire was once called internally. The number of Soros-backed partners has grown to at least 80. At least 20 of the largest groups that led the Saturday anti-Kavanaugh protests have been Open Society grantees.

On Saturday I also studied the fine print on the signs as protesters waved them defiantly at the Capitol and the high court. They came from a familiar list of Democratic interest groups that have received millions from Mr. Soros: the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, Planned Parenthood, NARAL Pro-Choice America, the Center for Popular Democracy, Human Rights Campaign and on and on. MoveOn.org, a Democratic organizing and lobbying group founded with Soros money, sent its army of partisan followers regular missives that led them to a Google form to ask for train tickets and places to stay.

Under a ginkgo tree on the East Lawn of the Capitol, Center for Popular Democracy field marshals put protesters through a “training” Saturday morning. “Are you ready to be arrested?” she asks. “Yes!” the crowd shouts, although one woman asks quietly: “For what?”

“If not,” the field marshal orders, “stand in line for the visitor’s gallery so an experienced protester can go inside and yell.” One organizer hands out tickets to the Senate visitors gallery for the express purpose of violating the law. That they did—the proceedings were repeatedly interrupted by shrieks from the gallery.

The agitators even have help with their handmade signs. Across the street from the Supreme Court, a woman uses supplies provided by UltraViolet Action to write, in Spanish: “No more rapists in power.”

Back on the Capitol lawn, people from Megaphone Strategies, a public-relations firm founded by former Obama adviser Van Jones, manage interview requests from USA Today and other news outlets. Women’s March lieutenants exchange T-shirts for completed “Legal Support Sheets” with information in case of arrest.

Suddenly everyone stands to walk in unison to the Capitol steps. When they arrive, the few Capitol Police officers on the scene silently watch them. The protesters walk up the stairs—though they don’t “storm” them, as the leaders have claimed. There are no barricades, no phalanx of armed police.

Rethink Media created a “social media strategy sheet” back in August for anti-Kavanaugh protesters. One talking point: “Kavanaugh was hand-picked by dark money groups and their billionaire backers.” Rethink Media is itself a Soros grantee, and Saturday’s protests and unlawful disruptions were part of a well-funded, orchestrated network that books buses, hotel rooms and churches for such agitation.

MoveOn.org wrote a guide, “How to Bird Dog”—harass officials in public places—in the spring of 2017, in preparation for town-hall meetings during a congressional recess. Over the past year, I have dialed in to MoveOn.org’s Sunday evening phone calls where they plan the operations and tell their “troublemakers” how to corner lawmakers. I still get alerts for their planning sessions. The last ones have been to #stopKavanaugh.

MoveOn.org announced that its call the night after Justice Kavanaugh’s confirmation would feature Ana Maria Archila, the Colombia-born sexual-assault victim who cornered Sen. Jeff Flake in a Senate elevator last month while a confederate screamed “Look at me!” She is co-executive director of the Center for Popular Democracy. Her salary was listed as $156,333, with a bonus of $21,378, in a recent Internal Revenue Service 990 form.

What I have pieced together is an open secret but one that journalists tend to avoid. Many (including me) sympathize with the liberal causes Open Society champions. Some have been paid Open Society Fellows or grantees. And many are put off by conservative anti-Soros rhetoric, which gets truculent at times.

Mr. Soros, much like the Koch brothers, funds causes he cares about. There’s nothing wrong with that, but democracy is better served if we follow the money on the right and left and find solutions where they are likeliest to lie: in the middle.

Ms. Nomani is a former Wall Street Journal reporter.

Appeared in the October 8, 2018, print edition.

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Let us not forget: The "man" called George Soros helped the Nazis round up Jews and confiscate their property, during World War II in Hungary.

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ustice Brett M. Kavanaugh didn’t hold back during his first case on the bench, lobbing a handful of questions at the attorneys who argued before the high court Tuesday morning.

Coming out of a contentious partisan confirmation process, court watchers predicted Justice Kavanaugh would be quiet during his first few days on the bench, but he ended up probing both sides.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer and Justice Clarence Thomas remained mum, while Justice Kavanaugh’s number of inquiries rivaled Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr.

Tuesday’s first case concerned whether a man used enough physical force in a 1997 robbery conviction in Florida for it to be considered a “violent felony” under the Armed Career Criminal Act, which imposes elevated sentences on defendants with three prior felony convictions.

Nearly 30 minutes into the one-hour argument, Justice Kavanaugh posed two questions to the attorney representing Denard Stokeling, the man who was convicted in 1997 of three felonies, one being unarmed robbery.

Stokeling subsequently burglarized a restaurant in Miami in 2015 and was charged with unlawfully processing a firearm. Since he had three prior convictions, the government argued he qualified for enhanced sentencing under the Armed Career Criminal Act, but Stokeling contends the unarmed robbery shouldn’t count against him as a violent felony.

The new justice later asked the government’s attorney three questions without appearing to tip his hand in favor of one party or the other.

No protesters interrupted Justice Kavanaugh during his inquiries, a stark contrast to his confirmation hearings across the street in the Capitol. The court had fenced off the stairs, preventing any protesters from charging the court.

Retired Justice Anthony M. Kennedy sat in the courtroom watching his replacement. Justice Kavanaugh’s wife, daughters and parents were also present.

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