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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:02 pm 
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Started yesterday...David Davis in the main chair, against Barnier for the EU. Each has a team of assistants. Davis recently told Peston that it was important that the UK was able to control the timetable and have trade talks in parallel with the EU's priority objectives of the 'divorce bill', reciprocal expat rights and the Irish border. The EU want those three things to be largely agreed in principle before trade discussions begin. According to Davis it would be the 'row of the Summer' if we didn't get our way on this.

On the first day of talks Davis rolled over and it's going to be done their way. Of course it is. How realistic is it that we will exit with a beneficial deal if he has such little clout against the 27.


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One against 27. Our main negotiator's Battle of the Summer lasted an hour. May is weak beyond her worse nightmares. The DUP seem loath to be 10 obedient bits of lobby fodder, bound to do what they are told.
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yer almost gleeful in the hope that the UK screws up ........

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You two (meaning KE and Lighthouse) really have no idea how to negotiate, have you?

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Tankus wrote:
yer almost gleeful in the hope that the UK screws up ........

Yes I couldn't agree more.
With friends like that who needs enemies?

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gazman wrote:
You two (meaning KE and Lighthouse) really have no idea how to negotiate, have you?


So when Davis told everyone we needed to get our way on the order of play, only to capitulate on the first day, he was showing what a canny negotiator he is? It isn't going down well at home, he looks weak.


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Tankus wrote:
yer almost gleeful in the hope that the UK screws up ........


I have always wanted the best possible outcome vis a vis our relations with the EU. Ever since before the referendum.


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Tankus wrote:
yer almost gleeful in the hope that the UK screws up ........

Not the UK, just the Tory party.

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Queen sends subtle message to nation today. :D


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If, we look at the way the Euro is being rescued and the way that Germany is and has been calling the "shots", does anyone really think that the European Union as it stands now, has a hope in Hell of continuing without more counties leaving. Italy-Spain-and Greece, are hanging on by their finger tips so when we finally leave what ever terms we accept best guess the EU will slowly fold or change totaly.

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I can't see it folding, there's too much political will to keep it going for it not to carry on in some shape or form.
It's changed a lot over the years and if members vote for more change, that will happen. But it doesn't have to happen - it all depends on the will of the elected governments and MEPs at the time.


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Well, the Queen's Speech dropped a few of the previous Brexit pledges...along with much other stuff from the manifesto.

No longer 'no deal is better than a bad deal', strengthen my hand, me and my strong stable team...now it's

My government’s priority is to secure the best possible deal as the country leaves the European Union. My ministers are committed to working with Parliament, the devolved administrations, business and others to build the widest possible consensus on the country’s future outside the European Union.

A consensus!


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As I said before, need to read the main European papers and take a butcher's at European social media, to see the misery, poverty and discontent, in most member countries.

Britain is proving to them that change is possible. Just wait and see.

How can anyone still be unaware how corrupt and incompetent those unelected self-serving Brussels buffoons really are?


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Lighthouse wrote:
Queen sends subtle message to nation today. :D


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She's GOOD!

Just thought you might like to have a look at this, which I wrote "elsewhere" ...

I entitled it "One is thoroughly piddled orf".

If I were Her Maj I might be tempted to send a few irritating people to the Tower.

As it was heard she has been heard to say, "Mainly because they are Messing One About by making One delay One's Speech so that it falls on a day that One really just wants not to have anything else but pleasure to think about, One's Favourite Day of the Season, One's Ascot.

However, One is simply going to have to do One's duty, process in One's coach, don the robes and One's Crown, look suitably serious whilst laughing silently into One's ermine and sharing a sideways glance and titter with Phil, and THEN ..... get back home at the gallop, change into One's racing-going attire and get on with One's real interest, betting on One's own thoroughbreds!!!

On the same bloody day!! At One's age!! Where is that headsman?

At least One won't have a similar problem next year as One will not be required to make a speech at all!!!!

Perhaps then One and Phil, if we are still on the throne, might be able to attend Ascot in peace without any demands from the Silly People."

At least, I heard it was heard that's what she might have said.

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It seemed a very quick affair this year, record time!



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Anyone hear Bozza's abject performance on PM yesterday? Made Diane Abbott suffering the effects of wildly uncontrolled diabetes seem on top of her game by comparison.
It's worth searching out for the embarrassment/hilarity generated.

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It's here on the iplayer, from 26 minutes. He is a disgrace.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tvjfq#play

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Anyone hear Bozza's abject performance on PM yesterday? Made Diane Abbott suffering the effects of wildly uncontrolled diabetes seem on top of her game by comparison.
It's worth searching out for the embarrassment/hilarity generated.


Now now KE you really must control your irrational bias. Abbott is an idiot, always has been always will be, and there is no evidence to suggest a medical condition caused her repeated gaffes. That she uses the possibility it might be so, comes as no surprise. It probably took Labours crisis managers at least an hour or so to conjure up that excuse.

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What's Boris's excuse for that piece of woefully unprepared bluster? It's not the first time he has shown a lack of grasp of the facts, it was par for the course when he was Mayor. He's good at burbling about generalities, but finds it hard to answer detailed questions, in fact often gets cranky when probed. Some say it's because he leaves that kind of work to underlings, but it comes across badly for a leader and would-be-PM!


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It was obvious he hadn't read the Speech and had no idea what was in it, and appeared dishevelled (more than usual) and either drunk, under the influence of something, or extremely distracted by some other factor.

He looked more bloated and flabby than usual too. He really is piling on the pounds now, isn't he? Possibly not riding Boris bikes as much now he is - hahaha - Foreign Secretary. Security, doncherknow.

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Exclusive video footage of the interview smuggled out!



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Soooo...Theresa May announces that EU citizens who have lived here for five years can keep their rights, some might be able to get them if they haven't been here that long, the cut-off date is vague... and she seems to be expecting the EU to respond to this first move.

But an expat group point out that the EU have already done that, offering a much better arrangement. So May is the responder and they think it's lacking.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/eu-expats-condemn-theresa-may-pathetic-offer-on-brexit-rights

Osborne points out that Cameron wanted to guarantee rights a year ago and all the cabinet voted for this except one person who blocked it. You guessed it.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-cant-recollect-blocking-rights-for-eu-citizens-days-after-brexit-vote-a3571966.html


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watching May outline her plan yesterday, she looked so uncomfortable, so much like a loser, I think she fully realises her days arte numbered. It is only the fact that any possible replacement doesn't want to be tarnished by the brexit debacle that is keeping her in power (if that's the word).

I see the risible Leadsom has been at it again. This time, you either support the Tory party or you are unpatriotic. This is, I think, a Right wing American idea, not one that is likely to catch on here.

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Leadsom has a loose mouth and was last in line when god was handing out tact and diplomacy.

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As I said before, need to read the main European papers and take a butcher's at European social media, to see the misery, poverty and discontent, in most member countries.

Britain is proving to them that change is possible. Just wait and see.

How can anyone still be unaware how corrupt and incompetent those unelected self-serving Brussels buffoons really are?
Precisely.
Which is why even now the slow and unless totally change in the way it's run. the EU, will start to "Fold". If only those "Brian dead" Politicians such as Blair and Major could have "looked" further into the future and seen that a "Common market" as it was could have been built on and after a period of time (longer then was allowed)developed, but not become the Political "nightmare" it's become.

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