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The UK has high employment and high job vacancies. Brexit strikes again!
How bad must the situation become before the government exercises yet another U-turn?
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There are numerous other factors at work here, apart from Brexit.
For example, take the lorry driver shortage. Many have retired but new drivers have not come forward due to the effect of the pandemic on the testing regime. The pandemic has also wrought mayhem in other sectors of the economy.
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But people who are waiting to become HGV drivers won't be sitting doing nothing in the meantime. They will have other jobs and when they get their licence, they will switch jobs and create another vacancy somewhere else!

Over 1 million job vacancies in the UK now across many sectors.

Agriculture being just one, where farms just cannot get pickers. Many EU workers not coming any more, so they are trying to get labour from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Philippines, Kenya, Barbados... even then they can't get enough.

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Stormy wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:19 pm
There are numerous other factors at work here, apart from Brexit.
For example, take the lorry driver shortage. Many have retired but new drivers have not come forward due to the effect of the pandemic on the testing regime. The pandemic has also wrought mayhem in other sectors of the economy.
If the U.K. already has high employment, the Lorry drivers are going to come from (where)?

If they're already working, and they leave to take jobs as drivers, who's going to fill the jobs they leave?

Brexit seems to have created a shortage of labour....not good for the economy.

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You can't argue with stupid.

The referendum proved that.

Now they have become ostriches and Covid has become a convenient scapegoat.
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Well, I googled why are there so many job vacancies in UK. This is just one of those answers that came up. https://www.ukcareersfair.com/news/why- ... -right-now. There are quite a few other answers. They all are heavy on the pandemic and Brexit is hardly mentioned.
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The problem with blaming the pandemic is that employment is high as well as vacancies. If it was down to the pandemic wouldn't employment figures be down as well? Sooner or later the Anything But Brexit brigade will be found out.
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Two points:

Huge number of vacancies due to the strong economy.

Huge number of workers still on furlough. WHY ??

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Workers on furlough are retained by employers who hope to need them . They don't want to lose trained staff to competitors once their sector picks up.

Many vacancies are in the wrong places or require the wrong skills or are just considered too menial by British workers who have been quite happy to let the unwanted migrants do them

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Stormy wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:44 am
Well, I googled why are there so many job vacancies in UK. This is just one of those answers that came up. https://www.ukcareersfair.com/news/why- ... -right-now. There are quite a few other answers. They all are heavy on the pandemic and Brexit is hardly mentioned.
I've seen sectors blaming Brexit for their staff shortages! Not the only reason of course, but a major one. Catering and hospitality for example.

The careers fair site lists quite a few government-related clients. NHS, military, jobcentre etc. Perhaps annoying the government by mentioning Brexit-related problems isn't seen as a wise business move? Just a thought.

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Anya wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 am
Two points:

Huge number of vacancies due to the strong economy.
Unfilled vacancies is the point. Where will the staff come from if we have high employment?

Migrant labour and if not the EU any more, it will end up being from Africa, Asia, Russia etc

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Many countries in Europe are not EU members.

I ordered some items recently and the company is up to its gunnels in Ukrainians.

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Never mind all that c**p!

I just had the most awful bratwurst because the EU regulations no longer apply to the content!

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Made me smile the plaintive little cry of - How will we get new workers ??!! - now that the economy is flourishing, with huge number of vacancies.

Into this small and overcrowded country, some half a million new people have been arriving EVERY YEAR, from EVERY PART of the world. One million new people in less than three to four years. It has been happening for decades and gawd only knows what the true numbers really area.

Many of the new arrivals are strong young men and women of working age.

Presumably not perceived as potential workers?

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Workers are workers, whether migrant or not.

But whatever the figures in the past, we now have over a million unfilled job vacancies and staff shortages.

So if there aren't enough people already here to do the work, it will have to mean policies to attract more migrant labour. More visas for example.

If you're conflating migrant workers with asylum-seekers, the latter are not allowed to work.

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Millions of migrants have been arriving for many years.

Presumably willing to work?

Some sixty thousand asylum seekers are waiting for resolution of their status, quite a different matter.

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Why am I laughing and rolling my eyes at the same time?

My local tv news (South East) reported that so many crops had not been harvested that they are going to make compost.

Obviously there will be shortages in the shops and inflated prices to come.

Already there is a question mark over Christmas turkeys, as well as other Christmas foods and drinks.

Who loves Brexit now?
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OMG! What a tragedy. Whatever will we do if we can't get a turkey for Christmas?
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Stormy wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:29 pm
OMG! What a tragedy. Whatever will we do if we can't get a turkey for Christmas?
Be an ostrich. :laughitup:
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Anybody who thinks that we can embrace a huge change such as Brexit, without encountering problems on the way, lives in cloud cuckoo land.
Problems are there to be solved. In 1945 we were absolutely on our knees. 12 years later Harold Macmillan was able to say "You've never had it so good!"
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Plenty of reports for months that these border problems are here to stay, because they are a function of the deal Boris chose.

Business after Brexit: Teething problems become permanent pain

Since the UK left the EU single market and customs union on January 1, the Financial Times has been tracking the fortunes of three small businesses as they adapt to new trading rules outlined in the Brexit deal agreed by Britain and Brussels on Christmas Eve.

Six months into the new regime, initial “teething problems” are settling into a more permanent reality that has imposed varying degrees of disruption and structural upheaval for each of the FT’s case studies.

https://www.ft.com/content/3a4ef128-91e ... 9b54fa8891

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Cannot get a turkey? Buy an ostrich? Local meat is plentiful, have a change, for a change.

A wonderful opportunity to stop the commercial madness and celebrate with loving kindness, instead. Gifts of time, doing things for others. True spirit of the season.

Toys abound in all the stores, children will still receive their presents.

Get children to do something for those less fortunate. Sort out any toys they no longer use, to give to charity, volunteer to do something for family, friends, neighbours, national and international projects ....

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We never have turkey at Christmas. There are other much tastier alternatives and we are always willing to try something different. Last year we had a goose. Much better.
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Strange. Had a goose one time, just to try. Huge thing, barely got in the oven. What came out was a small lump of meat and three gallons of fat.

I asked for the quills, wanted to try writing with them, not very successful. I gave them to an art and calligraphy teacher who was very pleased.

Vast paludial areas in France and other countries people eat mostly duck and goose and use the fat for cooking. Traditionally, all those areas have the lowest levels of heart disease and other conditions.

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