A New Global 'Flu'?

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Help for the millions of self employed is to be announced today. Headline in the Telegraph states only one in three will receive help. Surely not !! this would result in serious problems for many.
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well, that's pretty clear, I've heard confusing messages about this in recent days. Typical isn't it? When the price of fuel at the pumps has reached a low that we haven't seen in ages, about the only excuse for driving is to go to the nearest supermarket to get essential supplies. I'm fortunate inasmuch as I live on the fringe of town and can soon be out in open country leading to the towpath of the Grand Union Canal.
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I selected You Tube on my TV just now to play some music and was confronted by a message from the NHS saying what we should and should not be doing.

All items made sense until the last item which said, when going for exercise do not meet members of your family who live elsewhere.

The previous item said , stay at least two metres from other people.

It doesn't seem logical, you can walk 2 metres from other people but not family members.

I walk with my son and we separate by at least 4 metres. So I hope we are doing the right thing.
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Good to see the Brexitifation/Toryfication of the coronavirus is continuing apace. Dyson, the tory donating, Brexit supporting, hypocritical self-serving figure of contempt has been contracted to provide 10000 ventilators, which will have to be tested for suitability before being deployed. While existing British manufacturers (Dyson is based in Singapore) have been completely overlooked. Assuming Dyson's usual pricing policy - charge a massive premium for something over other equivalent, cheaper products - the taxpayer will be taking a hammering for the sake of Dyson's and the Tories bank balances.
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The govt is also behind Gtech, based in Worcester, another vacuum cleaner manufacturer who have come up with a simple easy to produce effective ventilator. It's not like Dyson is being given the monopoly. We urgently need ventilators from whatever source.
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We so urgently need ventilators Johnson has ruled out joining the EU wide collaboration to source the equipment rapidly. For purely ideological reasons, you understand. Brexit trumps lives every day!
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The EU were generously allowing us to stay in a helpful scheme, can you believe Johnson doesn't want it. And I despair for the UK manufacturers of ventilators who have already offered their services and heard nothing, while Dyson is likely to benefit and make money/create jobs overseas.

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So how come Gtech are in the frame?
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I thought they were one of several companies who have submitted proposals after Boris called for help. That was the infamous conference call where he joked about the effort being 'Operation Last Gasp.'

But I have heard that some existing ventilator manufacturers have heard nothing back, while he presses ahead with Dyson who don't currently make them. They are designing a prototype to be built in Singapore, that needs testing and approval. Let's hope he has a few other different suppliers to use, preferably here in the UK.

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Stormy wrote:
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So how come Gtech are in the frame?
Because Nick Grey got on and made a prototype , presented it to Worcestershire Acute , took on board their suggestions and is ready to go , using off the shelf components and running the whole thing off the oxygen supply , bottled if need be

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. They are designing a prototype to be built in Singapore, that needs testing and approval.
That's funny, 5 minutes ago Sky News reported they would be built at his plant in Wiltshire. In fact I see it is being reported all over the media.

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That wasn't what was reported before, but yes, I see that they are planning to use parts from Singapore and assemble in the UK, which is better imo.

I can't say I'm checking the news as much - too busy.

As for the government, I'm cutting them a lot of slack as it happens, they have an unenviable task and are working flat out. But if they do make serious errors, it is not 'hatred' to mention it. In fact it's stirring the pot to accuse people of that.

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king edward wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:03 pm
Now try and say it is not jobs for the brexit boys, Worcester's Gtech told not to produce much-needed ventilators by the government, chief executive says.
Really, Fantasia in Devon trying score political points in such a serious time, what are you smoking... :laughitup: :laughitup: :laughitup:

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Just before Christmas, I was looking through some old photos. I found this one, of my friend Roger, firing a Brown Bess musket loaded with black powder. This was at a country sports affair at Craig y Nos in the Swansea Valley, I think about 1981. Today Roger sent it back to me with some relevant comments, as you can see![
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whipitquick wrote:
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king edward wrote:
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Now try and say it is not jobs for the brexit boys, Worcester's Gtech told not to produce much-needed ventilators by the government, chief executive says.
Really, Fantasia in Devon trying score political points in such a serious time, what are you smoking... :laughitup: :laughitup: :laughitup:
I have long given up any hope of ever reading an intelligent comment from you but have you no defence of what appears to be borderline corruption from the Johnson gang?
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No government has had a crisis of this magnitude since the dark days of the early 1940s. They are fighting it on a large number of fronts and mostly they are getting it right. Lighthouse has declared that she's cutting them some slack but not you! Just thank your stars that Corbyn, MacDonnel and Abbot aren't in charge.
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Hardly likely, Stormy. All three are far too right-wing for Edward. They're just a bunch of softies.
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Stormy wrote:
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No government has had a crisis of this magnitude since the dark days of the early 1940s. They are fighting it on a large number of fronts and mostly they are getting it right. Lighthouse has declared that she's cutting them some slack but not you! Just thank your stars that Corbyn, MacDonnel and Abbot aren't in charge.
What is your interpretation, then? There is a shortage of ventilators, they were offered ventilators, they turned them down preferring to go with an untried, yet to be manufactured, ventilator from a prominent brexiteer (who, whi9th characteristic hypocrisy, moved his entire operation to Singapore to avoid post-brexit pain) and Tory party donor. By any reckoning it stinks.

I have come across suggestions that any criticism of Johnson at the moment is unpatriotic. I am not sure where this wrongheaded bo****ks came from but I shall not be following it.
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Stormy wrote:
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Lighthouse has declared that she's cutting them some slack...
Yes, because of the unprecedented workload they have, as well as illness in their ranks. They can't be perfect in all ways, I accept that.
But not ignoring strategic mistakes that will have serious consequences for all of us.

Herd immunity error against WHO advice, not enough testing, refusing EU help when offered, rebuffing local ventilator suppliers in favour of Dyson, who manufactures in East Asia and isn't yet ready.

And leaving NHS workers (I know several who tell me what's happening) without enough medical supplies to save as many lives as they could. And without personal protective equipment, which means they are working without it and getting infected and passing it to their own families. Years of underfunding, far too few beds and kit and no proper preparation for a pandemic, against specialist advice. This was always coming down the line at some point.

It can't not be political when political choices left us with this dire situation. It will cost lives.

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Fiddling while Rome burns comes to mind.

Decision needed whether to continue with the incompetent captain who got you into this mess.

Or to mutiny and throw him overboard, and try to find a competent captain who won't continue to mess up.

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whipitquick wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:32 pm
king edward wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:03 pm
Now try and say it is not jobs for the brexit boys, Worcester's Gtech told not to produce much-needed ventilators by the government, chief executive says.
Really, Fantasia in Devon trying score political points in such a serious time, what are you smoking... :laughitup: :laughitup: :laughitup:
There are 40 comments on the Worcester News website who agree with KE and I recognise a fair proportion of them as normally pro Boris

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Considering Boris has a massive parliamentary majority the prospects of there being a change of PM is simply wishful thinking.
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