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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:00 am 
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Apparently, the farm conglomerates (aka, Repub supporters) are getting their money's worth.
Many of the once profitable family farms will be up for sale (or in foreclosure) soon---thanks to Trumps ignorant and idiotic 'trade' wars.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-trade-wa ... es-1457474


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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/08/chinas- ... e-war.html

China’s exports to the US are falling sharply as Trump escalates the trade war


China’s exports unexpectedly fell in August as shipments to the United States slowed sharply, pointing to further weakness in the world’s second-largest economy and underlining a pressing need for more stimulus as the Sino-U.S. trade war escalates.

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Major, do you search for all these attachments or do you get fed them by a website?
I am so glad we have got socialism and support for those more unfortunate be it health, education mental abuse etc

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Ciderman wrote:
Major, do you search for all these attachments or do you get fed them by a website?
I am so glad we have got socialism and support for those more unfortunate be it health, education mental abuse etc



Facebook pages.


Having a social safety net doesn't make New Zealand a socialist country. We all have them. What makes a socialist country is a political and economic system which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or heavily regulated by the community as a whole.

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Ciderman, why do you think we have thousands of illegal aliens coming to America, claiming asylum? They want FREE medical care, FREE education, and many want to be FREE of "mental abuse, etc."--and they get it here. Taxpayers pay.

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Major wrote:
Having a social safety net doesn't make New Zealand a socialist country. We all have them. What makes a socialist country is a political and economic system which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or heavily regulated by the community as a whole.

You mean like a democracy? :-)

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Ciderman wrote:
Major wrote:
Having a social safety net doesn't make New Zealand a socialist country. We all have them. What makes a socialist country is a political and economic system which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or heavily regulated by the community as a whole.

You mean like a democracy? :-)



Like the opposite of free market capitalism.


BTW. The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Major wrote:

BTW. The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

So you are not a democracy?

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Ciderman wrote:
Major wrote:

BTW. The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

So you are not a democracy?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republica ... ted_States

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Yes that's a worry! :-)
"American republicanism was centered on limiting corruption and greed." a pity that didn't work.

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Ciderman wrote:
Yes that's a worry! :-)
"American republicanism was centered on limiting corruption and greed." a pity that didn't work.



Oh, I don't know Ciderman, it could be a lot worse. We could be socialists.

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Are you talking about what I would call communism?

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Ciderman wrote:
Are you talking about what I would call communism?



I don't know what you call communism.

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Communism.
a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably

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Communism.
a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably



Yes, the final stage. Lenin once said "the goal of socialism is communism."

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Yes, the final stage. Lenin once said "the goal of socialism is communism."

Ahh yes...'The final stage'.

Well, at least you've drawn a distinction between the two (socialism vs communism).
Not sure you fully understand the difference....but, we'll wait.....

Meantime, do not drive on those 'communist' roads, or use the fire patrols or police.
And for sure don't touch that sewer system....or drink any of the piped water.

Y'know...cuz those things all fall into the category of 'socialism' and we wouldn't want your head to explode once you figure it out.
Paranoia runs much deeper than I expected in your world, t'would appear.


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Y'know...cuz those things all fall into the category of 'socialism' and we wouldn't want your head to explode once you figure it out.



Socialists would like you to think that, but it's only socialism under the massively unhelpful definition that any government intervention in the economy is socialism.

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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Oh fergawdsake!!

Is there nothing you Ymps won't blame on anyone but yourselves??

Exactly how much MOO-ing and bleating do you do in a day?

I can now understand why you're so terrified someone might deny you a gun permit---and why so many innocents are being mowed down by your paranoid, hate-filled brethren who've sucked up the 'be afraid of everyone else's shadow because trump says so and if ya like, throw a bullet at 'em, cuz--y'know'---your glorious pumpkin is just itchin' to pardon you' mindset.

Your Amway heiress seems to be doing a bang-up job of keeping you just barely bright enough to blindly sign over your soul and your money yet ignorant and thick enough that you'll continue to keep your nose plowing into the back end of the rest of your aimless and pointless herd.

Here....have someone read this to you:

https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what-is ... socialism/


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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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How would you rate the last 4 Republican Presidents that we have had?
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On a scale from 1–10:

Reagan: 4. Sure he destroyed the middle class, and there was the whole Iran-Contra ordeal that would have been worthy of impeachment if Oliver North hadn’t lied to protect him. But at least he knew Russia was not trustworthy. He wasn’t a great President, but he played one on TV.

Bush Sr.: 5. Yes, the failing economy was the key reason he lost re-election, but mostly that was Reagan’s fault. He may not have accomplished much, but at least he stayed out of the way. He should have gone ahead and removed Hussein following Desert Storm when he would have had the support of Iraqis and their neighbors. Failing to do so cemented his reputation as a wimp.

Bush Jr.: 2. Yes he allowed the worst ever terrorist attack on American soil, and yes he responded by attacking the wrong country—twice. Yes, his economic policies almost led to a Depression. He spent a third of his term on vacation, came to power by opposing counting votes, lied to congress, instated torture, curbed the Bill of Rights. He probably should have been charged with war crimes. And he should have scored a 1, except there would have been no place to go down. And sadly, we have to go down.

Trump:
1. Only because I said 1–10. If negative numbers were allowed we’d be digging a hole with no bottom. He conspired with a hostile foreign power to attack our election. He spent his entire campaign making racist and misogynistic attacks, and offered to pay legal fees if his supporters would assault protestors. Since taking office he has backed out of agreements that protect our air and water, reneged on treaties with other countries, allowed North Korea and Iran to expand their nuclear programs unchecked, has cowed to Russia and has restarted the US-Soviet arms race, has flatlined a healthy economy, has spent almost 300 years worth of Presidential salary on more than 200 golfing trips—much of which went back into his own pockets, wasted money on an idiotic parade, is diverting money from military families and national defense to build a wall that will never be completed, obstructed the investigation into his corrupt dealings with Russia, has profiteered off of the Presidency, has boasted that he would accept illegal help from hostile governments again to get re-elected if given the opportunity, has told over 12,000 verifiable public lies, has suggested he should do away with elections and stay in office for life. And he is setting records for lowest approval ratings, highest disapproval ratings, most turnover in an administration, and most indictments in an administration. Sadly, I know I’m leaving things out.

On a side note, I can’t imagine with the state of the Republican Party now that we’ll ever see a Republican President score above a 5 again. I’m hoping that the next one will at least be better than the last two, but I’m not optimistic they’ll be as good as even Reagan or Bush. My optimism ends at hoping somewhere out there they have a future candidate who can score a respectable 3.


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 Post subject: Re: New Democratic Party
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Quote from a Trump supporter:
He’s not hurting the people he’s supposed to be hurting.
https://apple.news/AmcKscYaDRZyGVvZhsouU7Q

Per Sarah Siegel Dreyfuss, Clinical Psychology at Stanford University


This is what they were looking for in an American President.

They wanted a President who will hurt other Americans.

And that right there is what it was always about.

Nothing to do with all that ‘economic anxiety’ line. It was straight up racism, bigotry.

They think making America great means putting certain folks "in their place" .

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This is so real..especially on here. :boo2:


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